UK Researchers: Tax Food to Reduce Climate Change Eric Worrall / 5 hours ago November 19, 2016 Oxford Trinity College High Table

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UK Researchers: Tax Food to Reduce Climate Change
Eric Worrall / 5 hours ago November 19, 2016
Oxford Trinity College High Table
Oxford Trinity College High Table. I doubt these professors have anything to fear from a food tax. By Winky from Oxford, UK (Flickr) [CC BY 2.0], via Wikimedia Commons

Guest essay by Eric Worrall
A group of researchers in Oxford University, England have suggested that imposing a massive tax on carbon intensive foods – specifically protein rich foods like meat and dairy – could help combat climate change.

Pricing food according to its climate impacts could save half a million lives and one billion tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions

Taxing greenhouse gas emissions from food production could save more emissions than are currently generated by global aviation, and lead to half a million fewer deaths from chronic diseases, according to a new study published in Nature Climate Change.

The study, conducted by a team of researchers from the Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food at the University of Oxford and the International Food Policy Research Institute in Washington DC, is the first global analysis to estimate the impacts that levying emissions prices on food could have on greenhouse gas emissions and human health.

The findings show that about one billion tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions could be avoided in the year 2020 if emissions pricing of foods were to be implemented, more than the total current emissions from global aviation. However, the authors stress that due consideration would need to be given to ensuring such policies did not impact negatively on low income populations.

“Emissions pricing of foods would generate a much needed contribution of the food system to reducing the impacts of global climate change,” said Dr Marco Springmann of the Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food, who led the study. “We hope that’s something policymakers gathering this week at the Marrakech climate conference will take note of.”

Much of the emissions reduction would stem from higher prices and lower consumption of animal products, as their emissions are particularly high. The researchers found that beef would have to be 40% more expensive globally to pay for the climate damage caused by its production. The price of milk and other meats would need to increase by up to 20%, and the price of vegetable oils would also increase significantly. The researchers estimate that such price increases would result in around 10% lower consumption of food items that are high in emissions. “If you’d have to pay 40% more for your steak, you might choose to have it once a week instead of twice,” said Dr Springmann.

The results indicate that the emissions pricing of foods could, if appropriately designed, be a health-promoting climate-change mitigation policy in high-income, middle-income, and most low-income countries. Special policy attention would be needed in those low-income countries where a high fraction of the population is underweight, and possibly for low-income segments within countries.

Read more: http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/2016_11_Emissions

The abstract of the study;

Mitigation potential and global health impacts from emissions pricing of food commodities

Marco Springmann, Daniel Mason-D’Croz, Sherman Robinson, Keith Wiebe, H. Charles J. Godfray, Mike Rayner & Peter Scarborough

The projected rise in food-related greenhouse gas emissions could seriously impede efforts to limit global warming to acceptable levels. Despite that, food production and consumption have long been excluded from climate policies, in part due to concerns about the potential impact on food security. Using a coupled agriculture and health modelling framework, we show that the global climate change mitigation potential of emissions pricing of food commodities could be substantial, and that levying greenhouse gas taxes on food commodities could, if appropriately designed, be a health-promoting climate policy in high-income countries, as well as in most low- and middle-income countries. Sparing food groups known to be beneficial for health from taxation, selectively compensating for income losses associated with tax-related price increases, and using a portion of tax revenues for health promotion are potential policy options that could help avert most of the negative health impacts experienced by vulnerable groups, whilst still promoting changes towards diets which are more environmentally sustainable.

Read more: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate3155.html

This proposal, from a group of people who have probably never missed a meal in their lives, is totally obscene. High income countries often have a lot of poor people who would be hard hit by increases in the price of food.

Needlessly exacerbating the risk poor people don’t get enough to eat, especially children and pregnant mothers, who are especially vulnerable to adverse health impacts from lack of protein in their diet – if this ghastly proposal is ever implemented, future generations will look upon it as a crime against humanity.

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355 thoughts on “UK Researchers: Tax Food to Reduce Climate Change”
ClimateOtter November 19, 2016 at 9:12 am
NO.

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junglecogs November 19, 2016 at 9:29 am
Agreed. Why do anything? Climate has been changing long before mankind walked the face of the earth. More taxes on anything will do nothing; except cause more problems and grief for said mankind. .

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Melissa Wells November 19, 2016 at 11:58 am
Yet they keep importing millions of refugees that will need to be fed. It makes no sense.

climatereason November 19, 2016 at 1:18 pm
Considable environmental benefits could be gained by only buying local food in season. And not buying bottled water.

However, the first would seriously Impoverish growers in third world countries who export their food ,with all the attendant air miles, to rich countries. However, curtailing bottled water would primarily impact only on western consumers with more money than sense who disdain much cheaper and environmentally friendly tap water

Tonyb

Ross King November 19, 2016 at 1:22 pm
EXACTLY!!!!
This says it all:
Hypothesis:
Climate Change is anthropogenic.
But Climate has been changing since way before mankind took its first steps.
Therefore, Climate Change is not anthropogenic.
QED

mikerestin November 19, 2016 at 9:59 am
+100 Noes.

“Sparing food groups known to be beneficial for health from taxation, selectively compensating for income losses associated with tax-related price increases,”…
Can anybody see the potential for crony capitalism here?
Reduce the tax on California oranges because, in the opinion of the EPA, they have more sustainable growing methods.
Eggs are bad…no they’re good; use margarine…no use butter; eat beef…no eat more lamb, but sheep destroy the environment…etc.
Would a politician use the tax code to reward and punish at will?
Does a goose go barefoot?

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Bigger than you November 19, 2016 at 10:10 am
This is oppressive big government crony socialism!

JB Say November 19, 2016 at 11:16 am
Not the potential for cronyism. The absolute certainty of cronyism and wealth transfers from everybody to well connected corporatists.

Robert of Ottawa November 19, 2016 at 11:28 am
Can anybody see the potential for crony capitalism here?

That is precisely the intent of the Warmistas. Many people are profiting from the swindlemills and subsidy farms, not to mention carbon credits.

Trebla November 19, 2016 at 11:38 am
The authors themselves admit that their policy would result in millions fewer deaths. But wait a minute. The people who didn’t die would need to keep on eating, thereby INCREASING CO2 emissions. Sounds like a classic case of unintended consequences to me.

Alice Ramirez November 19, 2016 at 11:59 am
And they’d put a Lois Lerner type in charge of it all.

Steve November 19, 2016 at 10:15 am
These people need to be knocked upside the head. Or maybe that’s the problem. Maybe Mommy dearest dropped them on their heads when a child. Don’t know for sure, but one way or the other some brain damage is involved, or called for. Sheesh these people are quite stupid!

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William L. Bosler November 19, 2016 at 10:31 am
You’re correct. Something has gone very wrong with our collective abilities to think logically.

george e. smith November 19, 2016 at 10:16 am
Let’s get ALL of the carbon out of ALL foods.

People should learn to eat rocks.

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Kristen November 19, 2016 at 10:24 am
There is carbon in rocks.

Richard November 19, 2016 at 10:32 am
Rocks that don’t have carbon. Lots of rocks do.

Gerry November 19, 2016 at 10:56 am
I wonder if the oxford researchers considered in their calculations the outgassing of all at the bottom of the economic food chain that will starve to death as a consequence of the higher cost of food. They will bear the burden of the environmental success.

timg56 November 19, 2016 at 11:00 am
Or just put their policy suggestions in place and stand back while people start throwing rocks.

Long before climate science became a poster child for what is wrong in science today, health science, particularly with regard to nutritional science, was blazing a trail into the jungle of junk science. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that people who believe in junk climate science jump whole heartedly into junk nutritional science.

Robert of Ottawa November 19, 2016 at 11:29 am
Only carbon-free rocks 🙂

Rhoda R November 19, 2016 at 11:51 am
But…but…but SALT is BAD for you!

RayG November 19, 2016 at 12:44 pm
But carbonaceous rocks are so tasty.

David Wamsley November 19, 2016 at 10:17 am
I am damn glad I do not live in the UK. They are getting more socialist than old Russia. Let’s see now 40 % increase on zero would be acceptable

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Dr. Don Rhudy November 19, 2016 at 10:44 am
Man-caused climate, environmental sustainability—all BS! We must remember who came up with this. Leftists, whose only interest is controlling people.

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Fly November 19, 2016 at 11:29 am
The effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was discovered in the 1800’s before the industrial revolution.

Marine_Core_Soldier November 19, 2016 at 10:44 am
Typical liberal thoughtfullness for the poor.

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CarlD November 19, 2016 at 11:51 am
Let them eat cake.

MurphDaSurf November 19, 2016 at 10:45 am
Get ready to take it up the shorts, England! Follow the money trail, because someone is making a buck off all this crap. Faked stats, caught time and time again. Outright lies. Arrogant bastards. They don’t know their arse from a hole in the wall! It’s now or never, UK!!!

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Hao De November 19, 2016 at 11:24 am
a more effective step along that path would be to tax breath. how about humans being taxed based on how often and how deeply they exhale that evil, polar bear killing, carbon dioxide. little kids with smaller lungs would be taxed less. same as the crusted up lungs of older, lifetime tobacco smokers.

dogs, cats and other critters taxed based on lung capacity and respiration rate. the fat cat, 1% wealthiest citizens would have the most bambinos. and the largest dogs as pets. same as the gas guzzler cars should have higher cost license plates.

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B.j. November 19, 2016 at 1:12 pm
“dogs, cats and other critters taxed based on lung capacity and respiration rate.”
We will be eating them along with the wildlife ???

Lindsay November 19, 2016 at 11:26 am
I’ve read the earlier version of this research written by George Orwell. He called his Animal Farm.

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Hao De November 19, 2016 at 11:31 am
again, a far more effective plan would be to tax “breath”. a human or critter that exhaled more often and deeper than another, exhales more of that evil, polar bear killing, carbon dioxide.

children with small lung capacities and the adults with crusted up lungs form years of tobacco and other substance smoking would be taxed less. 1% wealthiest citizens could have more bambinos and larger pets. same as owners of gas guzzler cars should pay higher license plate fees.

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Gatormom November 19, 2016 at 11:36 am
Oh Hell NO

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Bob Bronson November 19, 2016 at 11:38 am
This is another indication that the ‘climate change’ movement is just another excuse to separate citizens from their money. A massive tax on food hurts the poor worst of all, as do many well-intentioned leftist policies.

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Winston Jones November 19, 2016 at 11:39 am
These people are absolutely blind to the fact that they are NO DIFFERENT than the National Socialists and Communists in their devotion to subjecting everyone to their utopian vision of how a “proper” society should behave. Their blind fanaticism is a far greater threat to the world than people eating steak.

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TroyGale November 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm
Amen!
The left are nothing but controlling little tyrants.

Amos November 19, 2016 at 12:00 pm
The insanity of George III has been inherited by this menagerie of nincompoops.

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ImaHippyBurning November 19, 2016 at 1:07 pm
I have a better idea! We The People could ALL just rise up and remove those trying to force this BULLSHIITE GW HOAX on society thus lowering the Carbon Footprint altogether!!!!

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cephus0 November 19, 2016 at 9:13 am
The only thing to be done at this stage is to strip out the bloated leftist maggots from the rotten, crawling cores of all of our institutions of higher learning and rebuild them from the bottom up.

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Dan November 19, 2016 at 9:21 am
Exactly right. These tyrannical fascists must be dealt with. We can do it the easy way, or we can do it
the hard way.

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Peter Anastos November 19, 2016 at 9:25 am
One could only wish for such a miracle, but these entrenched leftists will continue to poison our society, ruin our children and oppose ANY and ALL critical thinking. These leftist academics are extremely dangerous and destabilizing. They are a cancer on the planet.

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kathyamericamatters (@maconpatriot) November 19, 2016 at 9:31 am
DITO FOR LEFTIST IN THE.. USA!!!!

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Brett Brunson November 19, 2016 at 9:49 am
Agree, but it’s a three step plan based on the acuteness of the dysfunction caused:

1. Dismantle the Leftist mainstream media
2. Dismantle the Leftist bureaucracies
3. Dismantle the Leftist educational institutions

All of these function in unison to create dysfunction across the time spectrum, short term, medium term and long term.

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Rhoda R November 19, 2016 at 11:55 am
Only #2 is doable by the government. #1 can be accomplished by preventing the snuffing out of the independent internet media by twitter, facebook and google. I’m not sure that eliminating DOE and defunding college education will accomplish the goal. I don’t know how to get the education system back under control of real people.

Mary Wright Pippert November 19, 2016 at 9:49 am
These people have gone crazy.
Since Climate Change has been going on for over 4 billion years, what do they think they can do about it.

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PiperPaul November 19, 2016 at 9:49 am
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Harrison H. McDonald PE November 19, 2016 at 10:47 am
Climate change is a fact of life. The real threat to the Earth is too many humans, sadly, stupid ones. We need to heed Plato’s advice on breeding.

John Holladay November 19, 2016 at 9:58 am
For those who really feel mankind is the problem, they should leave and reduce the population & their excess use of earth resources. Until they do they cannot be taken seriously.

Tax food, they are selfish and hypocrites. They fly around causing more pollution than many do in a year, bet their menu causes more pollution than any five of the rest of us.

Take, please, that clown Kerry who went to Antarctica and burned up more CO2 than the whole USA does in a full day. What business dose Kerry have in land that has no nation we need to deal with? And can you imagine what the around the world tour of Obama, the advocate of human caused global warming, has burned up? Get rid of the elite and their trips and we save the planet. The environmentalist should be in an uproar about these two trips, until they are rioting on these trips they cannot be taken serious either.

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John Holladay November 19, 2016 at 11:23 am
LOL! You are pretty dense. The CO2 output by Kerry was equal to the CO2 output of ONE(1) American over the course of a year. NOT the whole USA. Get your shit straight before you spew your retardation on others.

Here, have a reference: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/his-very-long-trip-kerry-producing-much-co2-average-american-1-year

It’s even from your climate changing denying, right wing rag The Christian Science Monitor. You’d be a bad Christian if you didn’t believe the CNS, so eat up, biggot.

Alice Ramirez November 19, 2016 at 12:01 pm
The environmentalist lefty Elites consider themselves “SPECIAL” and therefore above the laws and rules that should apply to the rest of us commoners. Thank GOD Trump won!

commieBob November 19, 2016 at 10:06 am
What we want is balance. It is OK to have Marxist professors as long as we have a significant number of Libertarians. What we want is lively debate where ideas have to fight for survival.

What we have is orthodoxy.

But things began changing in the 1990s as the Greatest Generation (which had a fair number of Republicans) retired and were replaced by the Baby Boom generation (which did not). As the graph below shows, in the 15 years between 1995 and 2010 the academy went from leaning left to being almost entirely on the left. Heterodox Academy

The orthodoxies do not get challenged and we get BS piled on a solid foundation of BS. The other problem is that analysis is privileged over knowledge. Our students are taught to fabricate castles in the sky based on almost no actual empirical facts. In fact, the postmodernists have it that facts don’t matter because facts are mere social constructs. link

As for solutions …

It may be harder than we thought

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rob November 19, 2016 at 11:59 am
unfortunately Bob, you have not let go of your feelings for rational discourse and compromise. Leftists NEVER admit defeat. A loss is just a temporary pause. a compromise is just a half step forward until the chance comes to run all the way. When they lose at the ballot, they go to the court. Should the courts fail to be swayed, they take to the streets.
Marxists have proven by a century of One Hundred Million Bodies, they are a danger to all of humanity.
it was best said by some one else, in the argument over drinking a cup of poison, there is no compromise position that will satisfy the other side.
Anyone preaching Marxism should be held to the same level of disgust and contempt as an advocate of Genocide and Slavery.

robobbob November 19, 2016 at 12:03 pm
unfortunately Bob, you have not let go of your feelings for rational discourse and compromise. Leftists NEVER admit defeat. A loss is just a temporary pause. a compromise is just a half step forward until the chance comes to run all the way. When they lose at the ballot, they go to the court. Should the courts fail to be swayed, they take to the streets.
Marxists have proven by a century of One Hundred Million Bodies, they are a danger to all of humanity.
it was best said by some one else, in the argument over drinking a cup of poison, there is no compromise position that will satisfy your enemy.
Anyone preaching the cryptoreligion of Marxism should be held to the same level of disgust and contempt as an advocate of Genocide and Slavery.

Charles November 19, 2016 at 10:10 am
Feed them to the hogs – then we can eat the hogs.

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Thomas Clement November 19, 2016 at 10:11 am
Drain the Swamp(s)

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Doug Clinton November 19, 2016 at 10:43 am
Spot on!

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Alice Ramirez November 19, 2016 at 12:02 pm
AMEN! Get rid of all of them!

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Les Johnson November 19, 2016 at 9:14 am
I am guessing these researchers have never seen, or been in a food riot. This would be their chance.

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ClimateOtter November 19, 2016 at 9:18 am
Let’s find the alternate reality where Soylent Green actually happened, and shove them into it.

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patioman November 19, 2016 at 9:26 am
Great idea……..I just watched the movie for the umpteenth time the other night!

firetoice2014 November 19, 2016 at 9:33 am
I second the motion.

JMWinPR November 19, 2016 at 10:23 am
I would venture the citizens of Venezuela among other left wing paradises will take issue with this. Sarah Palin for US Ambassador to UN.

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Mystick November 19, 2016 at 11:44 am
Why do you think those in the UK have already been effectively disarmed?

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GBigs Angle (@GBigsAngle) November 19, 2016 at 9:21 am
How about taxiing the movement of the global warming cult’s collective mouth? That will pay for it in a year.

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MarkJ November 19, 2016 at 9:23 am
There is no idea so.stupid, expensive, or dowright evil that academics won’t buy into it.

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Larry Daley November 19, 2016 at 9:32 am
Just some academics, and mainly from the soft sciences and humanities

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BruceW November 19, 2016 at 11:59 am
Even so-called hard scientists fall into this group – just dangle some grant money under their noses that is contingent on “proving” global warming, and they fall into line quickly (and have been ever since Al Gore invented this BS).

Larry Daley November 19, 2016 at 9:40 am
Just some academics, and mainly from the soft sciences and humanities

Ruminants have lived on earth a very long time and in massive herds; Julius Caesar, entering into ””Gaul” described wild bulls oalmost as large as elephants.

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Shamballa108 November 19, 2016 at 10:13 am
“Some ideas are so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them” -George Orwell

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climanrecon November 19, 2016 at 10:40 am
These people are not academics, but propagandists funded by people with agendas, UK unis are being overrun by these supposed “Research” centres, lending their rapidly diminishing names to highly dodgy political propaganda outlets. The “Environmental Change Institute”, also attached like a cancer to Oxford Uni, is another example.

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Peter Anastos November 19, 2016 at 9:23 am
No, that is a very bad idea. Firstly, there is no real science to suggest such a thing would matter to the climate, second there is no real science that man is causing the climate to change, since the climate has been changing for millions of years naturally. Thirdly, there is only junk “science” hysteria on this topic. Nothing else matters.

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Tom in Florida November 19, 2016 at 9:37 am
It doesn’t matter what the science is or isn’t. Those in charge need more taxes so they can keep people poor and dependent on the handouts they receive from them, deir massas.

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rbblum November 19, 2016 at 10:22 am
Nothing else matters ? Really ? . . . Yeah, really.
by Metallica @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7bIbVlIqEc

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Lee Tousignant November 19, 2016 at 11:01 am
Those on Welfare, Entitlement Programs, etc. believe taxes do not affect them. They are not aware of the hidden taxes embedded in everything purchased. Ex., 1972, bread – 30 percent, 1984 Vehicles – $3k avg.

This past decade if Welfare payments were not tripled they have fallen far behind. Same with the employed if they have not received wages in line with inflation. Because of price increase for necessities such as food, rent, etc the hidden taxes have dramatically increased.

These hidden taxes fall heavist on the poor and those dependent on government subsistance. Can mandate higher minimum wages but then the price of everything goes up and more people are laid off increasing government dependence.

We are constantly told unemployment is very low yet the number of Net Tax Payers continue to decline. As it is the top 3 million tax payers pay 87% of all income taxes. Everybody employed pays Social Security taxes. And, everybody pays hidden taxes.

Not many people understand that a business is just another tax collector for the IRS. They are the source for all hidden taxes. When a business reduces its tax burden they are actually reducing the buyers product cost.

When a business pays taxes on net income it is really a tax on the investors. They then pay an additional tax on their dividend income.

You can thank all the Lawyer Politicians for this state of affairs. The Democrats are most responsible but there was/is no real push back by the Republicans. They are all feed by Taxes, Globalist, and Wall Street.

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Kamikazedave November 19, 2016 at 9:24 am
Good Lord. A new low. Let’s hope, especially with the election results that this nonsense is relegated to the trash heap of history as soon as humanly possible.

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Monna Manhas November 19, 2016 at 9:26 am
If such a policy were implemented they might find that there are suddenly a LOT more hunters out there, which would negatively impact wild species, would it not? And poaching would probably increase significantly. Shades of Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham.

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Bruce Gregory November 19, 2016 at 10:18 am
I’m guessing the citizen hunters would be part of a “Most Dangerous Game” rewrite and the politicians would find their place in the story not to their liking.

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Jtom November 19, 2016 at 11:57 am
Well, of course they could have a huge tax on hunting licenses, restrictions on how much game you can take, and steep fines with prison time for those who not follow the rules. Government has taken total control over what we can or cannot do. Any freedom you think you enjooy now is simply one they have not yet taken action on.

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Curious George November 19, 2016 at 9:26 am
I thought Oxford was a good school.

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Mjw November 19, 2016 at 9:41 am
It is for them.

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Pop Piasa November 19, 2016 at 9:46 am
It was when John Rutter taught music there.

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Alex November 19, 2016 at 11:19 am
You are right– it was.

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Denver November 19, 2016 at 9:26 am
If you’d simply paid your roofs and roadways white . . . you’d change the albedo of the planet. And provide much more cooling than simply ruining your Subject’s lives.

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Michael l Jones November 19, 2016 at 9:47 am
No, even this idea may not work if you think it through. Billions of gallons of paint – where would it come from and what would be the “global warming” results of the paint itself?Mining of minerals for ingredients? Manufacturing processes? VOC’s? Transport? Application products? Runoff as it is applied or wears off?

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SMC November 19, 2016 at 9:47 am
Ever notice that the areas of the Earth with the highest albedo all have one thing in common? They’re all deserts.

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Denver November 19, 2016 at 9:54 am
Sorry chief, low albedo equates to higher local temperatures — aka urban heat island effect due to lower albedo than surrounding suburban and rural areas. Paint your roads and rooftops white..

SMC November 19, 2016 at 10:11 am
Not all deserts are hot.

ErinR November 19, 2016 at 9:51 am
That is one of the most interesting ideas I’ve heard in a while! I think you might be onto something.

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mark4asp November 19, 2016 at 9:57 am
If that is such a cheap, effective, measure why do we not see “climate warriors” proposing it? Is climate change is an excuse for another agenda?

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Denver November 19, 2016 at 10:23 am
Why? Not enough opportunity for graft and corruption.

mikesamerica November 19, 2016 at 10:46 am
” Is climate change is an excuse for another agenda?”

What was your first clue?

Pop Piasa November 19, 2016 at 10:01 am
White roof membrane lasts considerably longer than the original black did at the university facility I managed. Some of it is because our original flat roofs were ballasted with rock and perforations were more frequent. the smooth, brown Meramec river gravel absorbed heat, held moisture and made it hard to walk while servicing rooftop HVACs. The flip side was that on winter days or cool fall evenings it was quite comfortable as long as the wind was calm.

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mark4asp November 19, 2016 at 10:04 am
I was told about this nearly a year ago. Just paint sky-facing things white. A far better solution to global warming than solar panels. https://greenfallacies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/shiny-white-roof-good-solar-pv-panel-bad.html

Left / enviros are not interested in white. They want renewable energy.
Left / enviros are not non-CO2 nuclear power. They want renewable energy.

This is turning into a bit of a pattern. I almost suspect they don’t believe in CAGW, despite their protestations!

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mark4asp November 19, 2016 at 10:06 am
Oops: “Left / enviros hate non-CO2 nuclear power. They want renewable energy.”

climanrecon November 19, 2016 at 10:45 am
… and rising sea levels can be fixed if everybody fills a bottle with sea water and keeps it under the bed?

Alex November 19, 2016 at 11:26 am
I have long suspected that most of the AGW pushers don’t really believe in it, or at least are aware of the shaky nature of the science they claim is clear-cut and unambiguous. There could be a thousand reasons why they push AGW anyway… desire for control, the wish to fit in and be liked, not wanting to appear stupid to all the others who are standing with them admiring the emperor’s new clothes. They spend so much time making “deniers” into the stupid ones that they have to feel conflicted and guilty if they let their own doubts make it to the surface. Their zealotry, thus, may be as much an effort to convince themselves as it is to convince us.

Rouge1 November 19, 2016 at 11:52 am
It’s now called climate change because global cooling nor global warming panned out.

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Joel Barr November 19, 2016 at 9:26 am
The Pro AGW game is over chumps….best to deal with the grief of the loss of your faux religion and get on with your lives.

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Tom Halla November 19, 2016 at 9:28 am
The malign interaction of the green blob and veganisism in action. Dietary studies are almost as political as climate science, and almost as badly done in practice.

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Warren Latham November 19, 2016 at 9:28 am
Too right E. W. : obscene, to the power of umpteen.
Morons to the left of us …

Regards,
WL

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John McElroy November 19, 2016 at 9:28 am
Let’s have some form of governmental control of every facet of or activity in life, then life will really be good. Those folks are far more intelligent than I am and so, I surrender to their superiority. (If necessary, sarcasm.)

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The Age of Gross November 19, 2016 at 9:29 am
If anyone was serious about climate change they would espose population control. Stop supporting bastard children. Stop immigration. Stop foriegn aid.

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azdhl November 19, 2016 at 9:30 am
Why is it these groups never say “You’re hurting the environment, stop it”, moving to ban the activity. Instead it’s always “You’re hurting the environment, pay me”. Almost enough to make you think the money is the point …

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Robert Teed November 19, 2016 at 12:12 pm
Funny how Zerka was out of control but today World Health Organization declared emergency over. Wonder how much government money is left for them to waste??? It’s all about the money!

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Informed Consumer November 19, 2016 at 9:30 am
I love animals.

They are tasty. Yum!

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Steve C November 19, 2016 at 9:38 am
The animals making this disgraceful suggestion used to be known as “Long Pig” …

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Nailbanger November 19, 2016 at 9:30 am
I think im going to get a few more goats, and a couple young cattle, perhaps my own mini breeding heard of Angus cattle…. tax that

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chris moffatt November 19, 2016 at 9:30 am
How do they think this absurb suggestion, if implemented, would not ‘impact negatively on low income populations’? Methinks it’s getting time to reconsider Oxford University’s reputation as the home of the elite intelligentsia.

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cephus0 November 19, 2016 at 10:06 am
It isn’t – it’s a hopelessly corrupted mess – like the journals and the MSM.

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BKMart November 19, 2016 at 9:32 am
Not too big a step from this to taxing human life, if you breathe you must pay per exhalation. They truly want to rule every aspect of our lives…

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Pop Piasa November 19, 2016 at 10:08 am
It is already construable as a tax on staying alive and healthy, therefore a tax on a basic part of life.

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Karen November 19, 2016 at 10:32 am
Don’t give them any ideas 🙂

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Roy Jones November 19, 2016 at 9:33 am
I can see the logic. If you raise food prices and millions of people starve to death they are not going to be exhaling CO2.

I have never understood why so many of the Alarmists are also Malthusians; unless it’s just another way of hating humanity and saving Gaia.

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mark4asp November 19, 2016 at 11:04 am
Because obsessing over limits is a natural mindset (as well as naturalistic). An easy trap for pessimists to fall in to. Obsessing over limits leads to the conclusion: there is not enough to go around. “We are using resources up at the rate of two earths.“, as they say. Enviros were more obsessed by resource limits too in the past. They portray CO₂ as another limit. Too much this time.

A more cynical viewpoint is: they arranged their anti-nuclear and anti-CO₂ campaigns as anti-energy campaigns. Some of them were explicit in this. Especially some Californians from the late 1960s. They thought the only way to save nature was to limit human migration into California. Hence the stupid policies we’ve seen in California since then: preventing large scale energy systems (not just nuclear power but also hydro). Preventing any major water management.

Many anti-nuke activists were (probably still are) engaged in constipating nuclear power, as they called campaigning against used fuel (AKA: spent nuclear fuel). No one was ever been harmed by spent nuclear fuel. The anti-CO₂ campaign is similar. As Tim Ball puts it:

You can stop a car engine by cutting off the fuel supply, but that would be extremely difficult and elicit quick anger in a country, as anger when fuel prices jump demonstrate. However, you can also stop a car engine by blocking the exhaust. Transfer that idea to nations and show that CO₂, the byproduct of combustion of fossil fuels, was causing runaway, catastrophic, global warming to achieve the goal. What nastier image than the belching car exhaust or the even more dramatic chimneys of industry?

Limits obsession explains: their love of renewable energy, phobia of nuclear power (nuclear waste obsession), CAGW, Malthus.

PS: They are politically correct Malthusians though. They will not discus Malthus positively. They even claim we should open borders. So impractical Malthus with it! Malthus is implicit in modern environmentalism, not explicit like 45 years ago.

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patioman November 19, 2016 at 9:33 am
Actually, if these morons were serious, they would start with the idea of closing down all the multiplex cinemas across the planet. What a waste of real estate and energy.

How many of us sit in these large theater complexes completely alone, or maybe with a couple of other movie goers? The heating and air conditioning needs of these facilities must be gigantic.

And the fuel consumed to drive to these theaters? There and back………..just to see a movie? Wow, I can wait for the DVD and enjoy the movie at home in the comfort of my recliner.

Oh well, if these morons succeed, I can always sprinkle some A-1 sauce on my DVDs and see if they are as good as a Porterhouse steak.

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higley7 November 19, 2016 at 9:33 am
“save half a million lives”

while killing several millions from malnutrition and impaired health for 100s of millions. Yeah, that ‘s a great idea. I cannot wait for the US to reverse the EPA’s CO2 endangerment finding and the CO2 is bad meme starts to crumble. What is interesting is that they want to decrease the demand for meat but also want to increase the numbers of wild animals that will essentially make this move a wash in terms of CO2 emitted by grazing animals.

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Karen November 19, 2016 at 10:39 am
See, the government is always trying to help us, heh heh heh.

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William Walters November 19, 2016 at 9:34 am
When you educate assholes, you wind up with educated assholes. Hence ideas like this

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Steve C November 19, 2016 at 9:34 am
“This proposal, from a group of people who have probably never missed a meal in their lives, is totally obscene.” Eric, you took the words straight out of my mouth.

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Michael Redford November 19, 2016 at 9:35 am
When the Climate Fanatics start promoting taxing FOOD in support of an unproven theory it may be time to seriously consider another inquisition.

These people are not only dangerous, they are insane.

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Ruggy November 19, 2016 at 9:36 am
Poor people could still eat approved vegan fare devoid of vitamin B12, which is required for brain health.

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Tom Dale November 19, 2016 at 9:37 am
As we’ve seen here in America, the only thing that stops climate change is to elect conservatives.

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alcheson November 19, 2016 at 12:27 pm
Well can’t just be any conservative. The GOPe types like Romney, and Bush and McCain would go along with this scam. Being anti-CO2 is a poison should be a litmus test for anyone seeking office.

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Shannon Kane November 19, 2016 at 9:38 am
Enough of this hoax. They also don’t count the already proven fake numbers for climate models.(old data), the booms that have been written to prove this is nothing more than a way to end capitalism. And also that consensus is not science. Not to mention the natural tonnage of Corbin already released by decaying matter. And lastly the co-founder of Greenpeace called it a hoax as well. Enough of this fake crap by big govt’s to control it’s people.

Duplicate comment ~mod

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Yahtahei November 19, 2016 at 9:38 am
Taxing food? Brilliant!! Of course since the poor will be affected the most they will need to be subsidized from higher taxes somewhere else. Do these people have a brain cell that works? Making it harder to survive in a effort to save the world from the progress that fossil fuels (CO2) have allowed humanity – all the while calling it Climate Change – is the folly of Marxist Progressive thought.

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Scott November 19, 2016 at 9:45 am
Ask them about water vapor being the most prevalent greenhouse gas. The heat capacity of H2O is many times that of CO2 and at least a hundred times more water vapor in the atmosphere. When do they declare water a pollutant?

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Walter J Horsting November 19, 2016 at 9:39 am
Green insanity, raise prices for fuel and food on the poor and the elderly….

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pat November 19, 2016 at 9:40 am
Just another money grab by world socialists. Analport do not realize how obvious this is. Can’t get a CO2 tax so you go after food. Maybe that idiot that said the world’s better off if you would stay off maybe he ought to stop eating and shut the heck up

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Greg Woods November 19, 2016 at 9:40 am
I’m confused: I thought the idea was to lose lives, not save them…

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Schrodinger’s Cat November 19, 2016 at 9:40 am
The stupidity of some academics knows no bounds.

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Alan Robertson November 19, 2016 at 10:32 am
It’s even more stupid from the Green perspective, because these ‘academics’ exposed the deepest elements of the true Green agenda. The denizens of the climate fearosphere generally try to keep their agenda hidden from “we the people”.

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John Johnston November 19, 2016 at 9:42 am
I bet very few of these geniuses would be able to say what the co2 PPM was when earth thrived supporting dinosaurs…or what the mass of the sun is relative to our solar system.

1. The sun’s output changes
2. Hence climate change

How did taxing our tea work out for you?

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HadEnough November 19, 2016 at 9:42 am
The looney left just keeps on getting loonier.

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Larry Daley November 19, 2016 at 9:43 am
Ruminants such as aurochs have existed far longer than civilization

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snapper November 19, 2016 at 9:43 am
Tax babies –

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Hugs November 19, 2016 at 11:48 am
How about taxing leftism?

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pochas94 November 19, 2016 at 9:44 am
Pet rocks, all of them.

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EricStoner November 19, 2016 at 9:44 am
They’ve already done that by diverting food products into “clean fuel”.

EPA Sides With Biofuel Industry by Delaying Ethanol Mandate Decision: http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/21/epa-sides-with-biofuel-industry-by-delaying-key-ethanol-mandate-decision/

Anti-hunger groups argue that the RFS has caused the global price of corn to skyrocket, which has exacerbated hunger in poor countries. It’s also caused prices for poultry, pork, and other livestock to rise as well.

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Joseph K. November 19, 2016 at 9:44 am
Insanity Complete insanity. The scam is over folks. It’s all about money… higher taxes, specifically. There will never be enough taxation for the greedy leftists and screaming globalists.

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Carl November 19, 2016 at 9:45 am
These eggheads just do not get it.
They want to regulate everything through taxation and judicial mandate.
Good thing the world seems to be waking up and taking a stand against these intellectual dimwits.

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Dutch Riggins November 19, 2016 at 9:46 am
I’m surprised these children were allowed to leave their homes without adult supervision. Hopefully, mommy packed them a good lunch.

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teebonicus November 19, 2016 at 9:46 am
Since they love statism so much, why not propose cradle-to-grave government provided food instead? I mean, that would jump right past all of the interim “nicetites”, wot?

Because it’s not about the food, it’s about the MONEY. Collectivists don’t hate money; they hate that individiuals having it lubricates liberty.

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N Maxwell November 19, 2016 at 9:47 am
Sorry climate scammers… There’s a new sheriff in town… the Obama-rama is over…

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Knowitall November 19, 2016 at 9:47 am
I say we should have a special tax on pin-head elitist.

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Pat November 19, 2016 at 9:48 am
These pointy-headed academics are living in an echo chamber so heavily insulated from the real world, they don’t even realize how stupid they sound.

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Koz November 19, 2016 at 9:48 am
You should tax these morons per word for all the hot air and garbage they spew. If they would shut their traps, the temperature would decrease by 2 degrees

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CraigAustin November 19, 2016 at 9:48 am
You can’t depopulate the earth by saving lives, somebody has to die. You drive up the price of food and energy, paint a false narrative about deadly future heat in the face of upcoming cold, and let nature take it’s course.

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Dave Neff November 19, 2016 at 9:48 am
Developing another system of Theft based on Fraud. Some group of Tyrants must have Ordered the Expansion of over reaching Government to kill the economy and starve the people.
Who is going to benefit from this? Government and Its’ employee Unions.
Who is going to be hurt by this? Everyone that hasn’t bought an exemption for themselves.
Think of the down range ripples throughout the economy;
Everyone has less money and more oppressive Government.

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JoAnn Leichliter November 19, 2016 at 9:49 am
Taxing the heck out of protein rich foods would certainly go a long way toward making those pesky plebeians smaller and weaker. And of course we will continue to keep energy prices artificially high in order to keep killing off the elderly and the ill. Should help lead to the perfect society.

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Christopher Dunson November 19, 2016 at 9:49 am
Food is too cheap….proceed.

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Matthew Dunnyveg November 19, 2016 at 9:49 am
First liberals wanted non-elite whites to adopt a pre-stone age, combustion-free lifestyle for ourselves while they continue jetting around in their private jets, muscle cars, and continue to enjoy a perfect inside climate in their mega-mansions. Now they want us to give up eating too?

Do we really need any more proof that liberalism is the entire system at war with the native American middle and working classes? Could this kind of outrage be why Trump won and Comrade Hillary lost?

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Shootingstar November 19, 2016 at 10:17 am
Yes, exactly. We are very tired of being lectured to…are you listening, Hamilton cast members, NFL “knees”, Hollywood professional let’s pretend actors? When the likes of all those and world-leaders stop jetting everywhere, having others take care of their basic needs, frequently vacationing in luxury locations, then I just might listen to your message. Until then, you are simply hypocritical fools. I read a book many years ago set around 2050 and in it only the very rich and powerful ate “real” food…the rest of the world ate engineered items. Looks as though it wasn’t so far off the mark, if some have their way.

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CheshireRed November 19, 2016 at 9:51 am
Seriously, what impact would a UK tax on meat have on actual global temperatures? Educated and qualified to professorship standards but as thick as a box of rocks.

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Rick November 19, 2016 at 9:51 am
That’s the idea! Hit the poorest among us in order to make the UN happy with their Socialist “Global Warming” ideology. This is why Populism is gaining strength and Globalism is on its way out….

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Russell Farraday November 19, 2016 at 9:52 am
I notice that every global warming theory ends with a proposal about how to take our money.

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rascal69 November 19, 2016 at 9:53 am
These idiots should go F themselves, early and often.

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Chris Ward November 19, 2016 at 9:54 am
Insanity pure and simple. Food cost enough as it is. Fuck the UN.😎

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charlesamiller November 19, 2016 at 9:54 am
Brilliant. Price food OUT OF RANGE for 95% of the consumers on the planet. Then issue Global Warming coloring books to help starving people pass the time. Dial M for Morons.

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Frank Calzone November 19, 2016 at 9:54 am
Their analysis ignores other healthy effects.

What if grain has the least climate impact, but causes the most diabetes, cancer and heart disease?

So now we will have more of those diseases as all other foods are taxed relatively more highly, thanks to these scientists who are only interested in virtue signaling around the issue-du-jour.

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Jon Sutton November 19, 2016 at 9:54 am
Actually, I think it’s a splendid idea. All you poor, uneducated, deplorable little people who vote for things like Brexit and Trump will starve to death, leaving just us wise folk on the electoral register. Fuel poverty alone isn’t getting rid of you quickly enough.
(do I need to say ‘sarc’?)

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SMC November 19, 2016 at 10:01 am
Well, my area has plenty of deer and small game and, I have a gun. As for fuel poverty, I learned how to siphon gas at a young age. :)<<< note the smiley face.

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Clete Torres November 19, 2016 at 9:55 am
Food is shit enough in the UK, so let’s make it more so by taxing it through the roof.

Good plan.

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chicago860 November 19, 2016 at 9:55 am
Morons with a mission

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SMC November 19, 2016 at 9:55 am
These folks are nucking futs. What a wonderful way to induce malnutrition and starvation. At least they’ll have a front row seat to all the glorious ways people respond when they have the joy of watching their children starve to death, if they were to actually try to implement such stupidity. Is Oxford handing out ID10T endorsements with their degrees these days?

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Chris Yeager November 19, 2016 at 9:56 am
The Money will be used to fuel Jets to fly around talking about Jet exhaust….

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Justa Guynamedjoe November 19, 2016 at 9:56 am
Soylent Green is PEOPLE, its PEOPLE! Taxed to death, rendered into edible wafers and fed back to the dying remnants.

The rich, of course, will still have steak and champagne. The rest of us need to understand that government knows what’s best for us and consider ourselves lucky to get their scraps and leftovers.

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Karen November 19, 2016 at 10:38 am
Remember folks, Tuesday is Soylent Green day. Bring your ration books.

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Dave Neff November 19, 2016 at 9:56 am
Developing another system of Theft based on Fraud. Some group of Tyrants must have Ordered the Expansion of over reaching Government to kill the economy and starve the people.
Who is going to benefit from this? Government and Its’ employee Unions.
Who is going to be hurt by this? Everyone that hasn’t bought an exemption for themselves.
Think of the down range ripples throughout the economy;
Everyone has less money and more oppressive Government.
???
If this is a duplicate, where is my comment?

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Clete Torres November 19, 2016 at 9:57 am
Inspector Morse would be disgusted with the lot of them.

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C A Jones November 19, 2016 at 9:57 am
If so, also need to tax all pro and college and high school sports teams,sports equipment makers, sports shoe makers and athletic wear makers for contributing to increasing CO2 output.

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danielwonderful2015 November 19, 2016 at 9:57 am
Please tell me the Brits aren’t going to be as stupid as American Democrats.

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Clete Torres November 19, 2016 at 10:00 am
FAR too late for that wish, Dan.

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SMC November 19, 2016 at 10:02 am
Liberal is as Liberal does.

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Willis Eschenbach November 19, 2016 at 9:58 am
Jaw-dropping. Under my theory that it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, you can register your objections with the corresponding author here. This was my response:

Thank you
Your message has been sent to Marco Springmann

Mitigation potential and global health impacts from emissions pricing of food commodities
doi:10.1038/nclimate3155

Message:

Dear god, has Oxford lost its mind? INCREASING FOOD PRICES HURTS THE POOR, no matter how you might dress it up. How dumb does a professor have to be to get hired at Oxford?

The arrogance is the worst. You say that if the poor merely rearrange their life-long eating patterns in just the manner that YOU think is appropriate, they MIGHT be able to still get the same nutrition for the same money … really?

I am truly speechless at the arrogant elitism in your study. Go out, and try to live for a month on a poor persons budget before you ever have the nerve to tell the poor that they should pay more for their food.

I gotta say, I’ve seen people in ivory towers before, but you guys take the cake.

Sadly,

w.

You probably should be nicer to the man than I was, but uncaring educated fools proposing this kind of unthinking damage to the poor angrifies my blood, and I lost my cool … hey, I’m a reformed cowboy, but I’m still a cowboy, what can I say.

w.

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SMC November 19, 2016 at 10:04 am
Sounds like you were being nice me… Much nicer than I would be.

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mikerestin November 19, 2016 at 10:15 am
Seems to me you said the right thing, in the right tone just by applying logic.
I guess that’s what’s missing from academia…basic logic.

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hitrestart1 November 19, 2016 at 10:17 am
Too bad there aren’t upvotes here, I’d give you 100+.

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Larry D November 19, 2016 at 9:59 am
In short, they propose a policy of “Starve the Poor”.

If England experiments with this, they ought to start with Oxford. The people who proposed this should be sent on a mission to examine Venezuela.

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mikerestin November 19, 2016 at 10:16 am
I like that.
They should start by eliminating all meat, dairy and all animal products from their school.

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Jtom November 19, 2016 at 12:10 pm
And covert it to a socialist system. All students get the same grade based on the aggregate quality of their work, and all employees, from full professors to custodians get the same salary.

MrHappyMan November 19, 2016 at 9:59 am
The elites still haven’t learned the lessons of the Brexit and Trump victories. Nor will they. Instead they will wonder why their center-left and center-right parties are on the margins of politics.

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John Holladay November 19, 2016 at 9:59 am
For those who really feel mankind is the problem, they should leave and reduce the population & their excess use of earth resources. Until they do they cannot be taken seriously.
Tax food, they are selfish and hypocrites. They fly around cause more pollution than many do in a year, bet their menu causes more pollution than any five of the rest of us. Take, please, that clown Kerry who went to Antarctica and burned up more CO2 than the whole USA does in a full day. What business dose Kerry have in land that has no nation we need to deal with? And can you imagine what the around the world tour of Obama, the advocate of human caused global warming, has burned up? Get rid of the elite and their trips and we save the planet. The environmentalist should be in an uproar about these two trips, until they are rioting on these trips they cannot be taken serious either.

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Scooter Van Neuter November 19, 2016 at 10:00 am
Every time you think the left couldn’t possibly get kookier……………..they do.

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RobRoy November 19, 2016 at 10:00 am
Tax any food that hasn’t been converted into ethanol. ( And tax ethanol too. Why not?)
Great Idea. I can feel it getting cooler already.
Oh wait, that’s just Winter coming.

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K L November 19, 2016 at 10:01 am
Interesting… There are countries where dairy, and the meat from those dairy producers, comprise more than 50% percent of their diet. Theupy cannit raise or produce crops in their climates. These countries will now be on an “extermination diet”.

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Rhoda R November 19, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Glad to see that point raised. I’ll also add that to replace the proteins, fats, minerals and vitamines found in meats, dairy, and eggs people will have to eat a WHOLE lot more food than they do now and, since it’s vegetable and we don’t have four stomachs, we’ll pass the evil winds at a much higher rate.

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rbblum November 19, 2016 at 10:01 am
If only these legislatures were around BEFORE the Ice Age began.

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Oscar Sevigny November 19, 2016 at 10:01 am
These “elitist” only want your money. They have nothing else to do. In short, the are nuts.

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John Howard November 19, 2016 at 10:02 am
As everyone knows, the solution to every problem (even the made-up ones) is to create a new tax. *cough*
Taxation is supposed to be funding necessary government functions, NOT serving as a behavior modification tool!

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Frankie Mangiapesci November 19, 2016 at 10:02 am
I don’t care who you are… that’s funny right there.

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RJ Turner November 19, 2016 at 10:03 am
What geniuses. Tax food to help kill off the poor to help the planet. What is wrong with this picture.

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polski November 19, 2016 at 10:04 am
“Much of the emissions reduction would stem from higher prices and lower consumption of animal products, as their emissions are particularly high. The researchers found that beef would have to be 40% more expensive globally to pay for the climate damage caused by its production. The price of milk and other meats would need to increase by up to 20%, and the price of vegetable oils would also increase significantly.”

So what is left for us to eat? Cheapest foods now are grains and high fructose corn syrup. Both are linked to obesity, diabetes and many other illnesses.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/diabesity-t2d-18/

I came to the lo-carb revolution because the chronic cough that often left me unable to function escaped diagnosis by a number of specialists. Good news was that after all the test I didn’t have cancer, heart problems or allergies. This carried on for six years and I had some periods of normalcy but it was always there, lurking and ready to make my life miserable. Anyways, after the first six weeks of eating better I noticed that any meds that earlier offered little relief worked much better. Then i was weaned off of the numerous inhalers and continued to improve. Now I am normal with occasional bouts that are rare and respond quickly to treatment. As an aside I also lost 50lbs. which I gained while ill.

I wonder if the North American Diet which has spread world wide will be the next item to be dealt with by the fresh new thinking we are seeing.

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A. J. Guy November 19, 2016 at 10:05 am
These globalists won’t stop until they directly feel consequences for their behavior.

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ThePublicEditor.com November 19, 2016 at 10:06 am
Marie Antoinette had the solution. Just “Let them eat cake”. Of course, that just comment just slightly preceded her conviction by the Revolutionary Tribunal of treason to the principles of the revolution, and her subsequent execution by guillotine.

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sagesteve November 19, 2016 at 10:06 am
You “people” in the UK are NUTS! The “March of the MORONS”…continues.

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TonyL November 19, 2016 at 10:06 am
a crime against humanity

Here in the US, already in progress. The Ethanol Mandate which diverts 40% of the nations corn crop into a motor fuel additive.
Do “oxygenated fuels” burn cleaner, as alleged? For 100 years of very intensive fuels research, the effect was never noticed. Only after the EPA wanted it to be true, studies appeared of the sort “Studies Suggest” and “Research Indicates”.
Burning food for fuel is an obscenity.

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hunter November 19, 2016 at 10:07 am
Jonathan Swift would have surely found this modest proposal quite inspiring.
https://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Texts/modest.html

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Toto November 19, 2016 at 10:07 am
Just as I’ve always said: the REAL reason for all this climate change fraud is to implement a system of world taxation. It never had anything to do with the actual environment. It was always about installing another brick in the wall of one world government. Now we see it plain as day, out in the open. It’s time for all of Europe to grab their modern pitchforks and surround all of the Rothschild mansions.

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Larry November 19, 2016 at 10:08 am
Where does the collected tax money go?

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arthur4563 November 19, 2016 at 10:08 am
I think the world will just decide to build a nuclear plant and not forgo their meat and diary products.
“Nukes or lettuce diet – take your pick.”

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Charles Aronowitz November 19, 2016 at 10:10 am
These fascist idiots must be stopped! Go, Trump!

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Pop Piasa November 19, 2016 at 10:12 am
This gives a chilling new meaning to the phrase “The government is taxing people to death these days”.

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hunter November 19, 2016 at 10:12 am
And here is a handy video showing just how much our carbon footprint could be reduced if we would only accept such a modest proposal:
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Denver November 19, 2016 at 10:29 am
Carbon isn’t the issue and never has been. If you have to fear . . . fear the Sun.

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markl November 19, 2016 at 10:13 am
North Korea is just way ahead of its’ time and we just don’t realize it.

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joelobryan November 19, 2016 at 10:14 am
A food tax to “Fight Climate Change” is the next logical progression of carbon taxes.

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
― George Orwell, 1984

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hitrestart1 November 19, 2016 at 10:14 am
Yet another attempt by out-of-control tyrants to determine for you what you may or may not eat. The sole purpose of the tax is to enrich the elitists while helping to impoverish those they try to have dominion over.

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Sam November 19, 2016 at 10:15 am
This is insanity! If these idiots are so concerned about ‘global warming’, then why don’t they focus on birth control? This planet is overpopulated. Fewer people, fewer problems. But, let’s be honest: “global warming” is all about the money.

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Warren Latham November 19, 2016 at 10:16 am
In June 2012, more than four years ago, Alex Jones did an interview with Lord Christopher Monckton of Brenchley. It is entitled The Elite’s Eugenics Agenda with Lord Monckton.
[Duration is 53mins-35secs..]

It is well worth listening to and is VERY relevant to this thread.

WL

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krew09 November 19, 2016 at 10:16 am
it is always about the money with these maggots,while at the same time they are engaged in mass geoengineering

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maxovrdriv November 19, 2016 at 10:17 am
Well since there is no proof the planet is warming, or any hint of proof the seasons ( we have been locked into 4 for a few centuries now) have anything to do with mankind, maybe we should wait on this. Or if the left really believes all this horse manure, stop growing food altogether, that will save on lots of emissions and also not as many people left to cause this horrendous change of seasons every year they call climate change.

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Warren Latham November 19, 2016 at 10:18 am
Oops !

Here is the correct video link …

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MH Thomas November 19, 2016 at 10:19 am
Politicians plan to tax food for the EXACT same reason that they tax everything else: So they have more money to spend getting re-elected… and of course, because they can.

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American Voter November 19, 2016 at 10:19 am
First, let’s tax Oxford Hot Air…by the word. That should solve several problems simultaneously!

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jnsesq November 19, 2016 at 10:20 am
Take a guess as to which country with a new incoming President WON’T be enabling this silliness now?

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Alex November 19, 2016 at 10:20 am
ECOLOGY SÍ — GLOBAL WARMING NO!

Then there was global warming… Oh, I’m sorry: I mean “THE ICE AGE IS COMING” (see Time Magazine—also Walter Cronkite, Sept. 11, 1972). There were many articles back in the 1970s that discussed the whole Ice Age problem). Oh, no, cancel that: “GLOBAL WARMING IS COMING.” Oh, no, change that: “CLIMATE CHANGE IS COMING”…..

What hubris, what arrogance has taken possession of us poor little creatures on this mortal coil, that can makes us think that we little ants can change the weather on this huge planet. We forget that glowing star out there that we fondly call the SUN, which from time immemorial has been sending us its powerful rays, its warmth, its energy. We forget the powerful forces in the very belly of our magnificent planet, a planet we think we can tame. We’re acting like little gods.

The Global Warming people often confuse global warming or climate change with ecology. And they say: “Yea, look at India, look at China. How dirty their air and water is.” True, but that’s got nothing to do with global warming or climate change. That’s ecology. We all want clean water, clean air, clean lakes and rivers, unpolluted peppers and tomatoes, magnificent landscapes. And today, at least in the United States, we’ve never had such clean air and water and lakes. Our cars are using fewer and fewer toxic ingredients. Why, even Great Britain’s Daily Mail for Jan. 2, 2015, has this comforting headline: “Carbon dioxide emissions help tropical rainforests grow faster: Study shows trees absorb more greenhouse gas than expected.” Praise the Lord!

But that’s all ecology. We’re all for that. In fact, lets leave our children an even more beautiful and healthy planet than we inherited. But let’s not try to change the climate and temperature of this temperamental Planet Earth. It won’t work. Instead, let’s try to enjoy and beautify this unique and magnificent home lost among the trillions of other planets and stars.

Ecology has nothing to do with global warming or climate change, which is the greatest scientific fraud ever perpetrated on mankind. In a news conference in Washington D.C. on May 13, 2014, French foreign minister Laurent Fabius went so far as to warn the world that “we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos.” Could a French foreign minister be wrong? I figured we earth-dwellers had only a few days left, and Armageddon would descend upon Planet Earth. “Earth, we have a problem.” Stop the world; I’m getting off! Come to think of it: the “climate chaos” predicted by the French foreign minister was to have taken place on September 25, 2015!!! Are we dead or still alive? Oh well, maybe we still have time to make our last wills and testaments. Oh, shucks, there won’t be anyone left to execute them.

Former Vice President Al Gore invented his own “tipping point” clock a few years ago. Excerpt: Former Vice-President Al Gore came to Washington on July 17, 2008, to deliver yet another speech warning of the “climate crisis.” “The leading experts predict that we have less than 10 years to make dramatic changes in our global warming pollution lest we lose our ability to ever recover from this environmental crisis,” Gore stated.

Finally, this past Jan. 2, 2015, Great Britain’s Daily Mail gave the world another big scare with this headline: “Mystery at the sun’s south pole: NASA reveals huge ‘coronal hole’ on the solar surface where winds reach 500 miles per SECOND.” Now we’re having trouble with the sun! But somehow—with God’s help— we’ll muddle through. We always have.

In a word, taking care of the environment has nothing to do with trying to change the climate of Planet Earth. The Sun has been taking care of the climate change for millions of years and will continue to do so despite the fact we humanoids insist on exhaling “poisonous” breath.

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Tostig Godwinesson November 19, 2016 at 10:21 am
The global warming hoaxers seem to be having great difficulty with a very simple concept, so let me spell it out, though it really shouldn’t be necessary at this point. The hoaxers have spent 30 years trying to use propaganda, lies, state power, power of persuasion, the idiotic “97 % of scientists agree!” meme, declaring science “settled” which of course science by definition can never be, and every other possible tool in their toolkit to get the public to accept the laughable lie that we can fix the planet if we tax and spend and send money overseas some more. The public no more buys this laughable hoax any more today than on the day Algore came out with his discredited hockey stick graph. We. Just. Don’t. Buy. It. And never will. I feel slightly bad for the generation of scientists, writers, and propagandists that hitched their career wagons to this falling star, but it’s over. With Trump and Brexit and similar events to come, the notion of gigantic government confiscations of hard-earned money to solve imaginary problems is OVER. So, please, assistant professors of climate science, go back to the drawing board, pick a new topic — this time one without the rancid stink of politics — and move on.

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Sara November 19, 2016 at 10:22 am
There is no low too low for the intellectually dishonest. No tax too great, no suffering too widespread. No activism too extreme, no impact too devastating, no lie big enough. The ‘highly educated’ are THE enemy within. They are the number one greatest threat to our prosperity and sovereignty.

Time to fill up my SUV with massive gallons of gas and meet a friend for a fabulous steak dinner. Then I’ll come home to do 5 loads of laundry in my water hogging, vintage, top loading washer (42 gallons to be exact.) Oh, I almost forgot the bonus laundry detergent spiked with copious amounts of phosphates & surfactants.

Enjoy that gluten free granola bar, dingy whites, and you battery operated beer can on bicycle tires.

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TA November 19, 2016 at 10:22 am
Instead of taking beef away from hungry folks, why don’t these Oxford geniuses propose a law to eliminate all the cows in India. The cows are not used as food, but just wander around doing cow things. Most beef cows don’t spend much time on this Earth, so their effects are limited but the Indian cattle are around for many years, heating up the Earth’s climate.

Do away with Indian cattle, save the Earth, and noone starves. Why didn’t they think of this?

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cephus0 November 19, 2016 at 10:44 am
They don’t “think” at all. Their sole purpose is to attract funding by saying things the current political paradigm approves of and they do not care whatever it is they say just so long as that is achieved. They are abhorrent characterless spineless human refuse.

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Fresdrick Douglas November 19, 2016 at 10:23 am
Are these Oxford researchers the same bunch that gave phony results in the past, that opened an avenue that made Al Gore a billionaire selling climate change BS?

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Strategerist November 19, 2016 at 10:24 am
Thank goodness Trump is coming into office. Hopefully we can remove these alarmist global warming and wackos from any real positions of power before they tax and spend us into oblivion.

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Bill Elder November 19, 2016 at 10:24 am
If you allow these nattering insulated elitist fools to gain control of your food supply/diet you deserve everthing that happens after that – this is naked autocrat enmity and people will die for it

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Timothy Kirkland November 19, 2016 at 10:25 am
These are the kind of people who don’t realize slot of ranching is done on lands not suitable for crop growth or is essential in rotational farming.

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TonyL November 19, 2016 at 10:26 am
Taxing food with the aim of reducing consumption as policy.
If the policy does not have the desired effect, perhaps food can be withheld directly until the desired effect has been achieved. It has been done before, so they already know how to do it.
The Holodomor:
Brought on by people who must have been intellectual soulmates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
(Yes, I know it is Wiki)

These people may be thinking they are just playing intellectual games with the oh so trendy themes of global warming and tax policy.
The truth is, the pure Evil shows through with perfect clarity.

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SMC November 19, 2016 at 10:28 am
Heh, Drudge has a link to this article, now. That was fast.

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Alx November 19, 2016 at 10:29 am
Oxford geniuses once again prove that being educated and drop dead stupid are not mutually exclusive.

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fretslider November 19, 2016 at 10:29 am
This is just another load of ‘Health-Nazism from the usual suspects

Sparing food groups known to be beneficial for health from taxation…

One week something is found to carcinogenic etc and the next it’s not. They constantly contradict themselves.

It’s fad driven nonsense. Now for that bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich, yum……

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F. Ross November 19, 2016 at 10:33 am
Out from under what slimy bog rock did these “researchers” crawl?

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Charles F Colby November 19, 2016 at 10:36 am
My family raises our own cattle here in Texas, so piss off you fancy pants ******s. [language policy ~mod]

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Ross King November 19, 2016 at 10:38 am
These Ivory-Tower academics shd put their money where their mouths are, and voluntarily tax themselves per plate. I’ll believe their commitment to be more than grant-seeking hot air when I see them act — as a good example — according to the principles they would impose on society.

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Biologist Who Can Do Math November 19, 2016 at 10:38 am
The longer that people live, the larger their total lifetime carbon usage goes up. This proposal is counterproductive. Nothing ‘saves lives’ – it only prolongs them – and their carbon usage along with that. A shorter-lived meat eater is likely equal to a long-lived vegetarian in carbon usage. Plus meat is very energy dense, so transportation of the food stuff requires less petroleum as compared to millions of tons of vegetation that requires harvesting energy, transportation energy, and is far less energy-dense per kilocalorie.

These clowns cannot do math.

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Prelusive November 19, 2016 at 10:40 am
Left wing nuttery is abundant.

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Dennis Taylor November 19, 2016 at 10:40 am
Taxing your food is not going to do anything for the planet,stopping undesirables from breeding is the answer, here in the US we could start off by neutering all liberals and democrats and then work out from there.

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MP November 19, 2016 at 10:41 am
If we don’t stop the glibalists now, the next thing they come up with will be mandatory euthanasia when a person reaches their retirement age. Since you are no longer useful, you have no business consuming earth’s resources.
There is no end to what these globalist dictators will do if we don’t stop them.

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markx November 19, 2016 at 10:42 am
Crony capitalism alert!

Next thing, someone will be suggesting mandatory ethanol inclusion rates in gasoline, promoting biofuels usage, and legislating for comulsory renewables percentages in power generation. And some will profit mightily ….

…Oh, wait….

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Killer Marmot November 19, 2016 at 10:43 am
This tax won’t be regressive. Nooooo, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Pepina November 19, 2016 at 10:45 am
The problem with these little darlings is that they believe in nothing or anyone but themselves and their ilk. God doesn’t exist…nature doesn’t exist.. serendipity, consequences, even infinity doesn’t exist. ‘They,’ themselves multiply in vapor-less, academic pods, nodding to each other in agreement believing with all of their mini brains and hardened hearts that ‘they’ are simply… superior.

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saywhat64 November 19, 2016 at 10:45 am
And who gets all the tax money ???!!!

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Pat Ch November 19, 2016 at 10:45 am
No idea is too loony for the left, academics in particular. Obama filled his administration with this sort, who immediately began their manipulation of society. Leaving wreck and ruin in their incompetent wake. Racial hatred, select privileged groups based on mental disease, preferred religions, total breakdown in education, the economy in ruins and hundred of thousands of jobs targeted for elimination, entire industries destroyed, lawless cities and open borders. Real science relegated to political goals. 47% of Americans voting Democrat in order to maintain themselves on government charity.
The list is endless.

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God November 19, 2016 at 10:46 am
How about we tax every politician, pundit that spews any unnecessary carbon?
Better yet Society sees fit that we sterilize everything lawyer and law student so that we end this massive amount of carbon release.

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stormy (@redctchrb412) November 19, 2016 at 10:46 am
Tax food enough and some classes of people can certainly get their protien from politicians, capice ?

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William Michelle de LaChaumette November 19, 2016 at 10:47 am
WHERE CAN WE FIND A HALF WAY HOUSE FOR ALL THESE MENTALLY DISTURBED LIBERAL-PROGRESSIVES SO THEY CAN LIVE EXACTLY LIKE THEY PROPOSE EVERYBODY ELSE LIVES?

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Joe Campbell November 19, 2016 at 10:48 am
Insanity and just a quest for more revenue to waste!
Climate change on a global scale is NATURAL, and man’s contributions are inconsequential.
The “computer models” used to spread this nonsense do not work! According to these models, polar ice caps were supposed to have disappeared in 2016, an yet they still exist and are growing!
Our climate is driven by energy received from the sun and other natural phenomena!

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charlie crenshaw November 19, 2016 at 10:49 am
So this is the next sin tax? Alchohol, cigarettes, sugar, now meat. The climate change people want to limit human populations to slow climate change. Why not just give this stuff away? it is all terrible for our health in excess…so wouldnt this help to kill off a few million of us??

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Erich Walker November 19, 2016 at 10:49 am
Tax reproduction. Heavily. If everyone would just stop having kids for one generation, the climate issue would be solved. At least the human induced part of it.

Laugh if you want. Our self-appointed social engineers have done much worse in the past. Eugenics and the Progressive movement of the early 20th century grew from the same root.

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Richard Arold November 19, 2016 at 10:49 am
What a ridiculous idea. Sure less meat will be produced, reducing CO2 production but less feed (grains, etc.) will be grown which reduces CO2. Net change = 0.

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Terry S November 19, 2016 at 10:51 am
What caused the last 9 recorded ice ages? Would it be considered man made global warming during the warming cycles between the 9 ice ages?

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Retrocon November 19, 2016 at 10:51 am
Academics and elitists again finding ways to shift a disproportionate amount of the burden for their stupid ideas onto the poor and middle classes.

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Mr. Lucky November 19, 2016 at 10:52 am
Modern warm cycle is ending. Cold weather is coming due to greatly decreased sunspot activity. When the masses realize they have been deceived it will not end well.

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Tom Boyle November 19, 2016 at 10:52 am
It’s OK, this is a self extinguishing problem. Most countries in the EU, includinh UK, have a definite negative birth rate. They are dying out at a rapid rate. Humans evolve to stand upright to spot predators at a greater distance than their grass-grazing cousins. A diet high in animal protein led to larger brains and larger bodies. Thus the second reason this will go away is that the remaining population of England, now exclusively plant eaters, will de-volve back to grazing on all fours. The population that resisted the taxation tyrany and continues to eat meat will hunt the plant eaters…just like we did in pre-historic times. Very little carbon exchange there and the problem is solved…to everyone’s satisfaction. Would you like fries with that professor? Drive forward to the next window.

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Must Have Meat November 19, 2016 at 10:53 am
Eat the rich!

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JV November 19, 2016 at 10:56 am
Cultural Marxism

Just another example of the madness of critical theory exposing itself in an Orwellian manner

Yes, it is easy to mock – however, the seriousness of their proposal should not be discounted. The “academics”, and I use that term mockingly, who come up with these proposals will never relent. As Gramsci suggested they are the foundation of the slow march through our institutions.

These educated troglodytes are more than just dangerous, they are evil incarnate – they and their cohorts are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions in just the last few centuries alone.

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Mike Sanders November 19, 2016 at 10:57 am
What an obvious money grab, keep your schemes to yourselves until there’s a community wide consensus among the scientific community. It’s only theory until it’s unequivocally proven.

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Timothy A Long November 19, 2016 at 10:57 am
This has to be the DUMBEST thing Ive ever heard. And to think…..these morons are getting paid by government grants paid for by us.

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Brad November 19, 2016 at 10:59 am
Anthropogenic Global Warming pushers have never been about saving the world. That’s just a cover story. No, the real agenda is about squeezing their tax and debt slaves while consolidating power and control.

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Old’un November 19, 2016 at 11:01 am
At the end of this century, or sooner, our descendents will look back in disbelief at the lunatic proposals and actions spawned by the threat of a climate catastrophe that never happened. This one will cause one of the biggest laughs, pity I won’t be here to enjoy it.

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WAlt Right November 19, 2016 at 11:04 am
Thank god America elected Trump. This Climate nonsense will be swept into the dustbin of history, along with Hillary, the Soviet Union, and Global Cooling.

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Johnnie Hilburn November 19, 2016 at 11:06 am
Perhaps a massive tax should be placed on moronic academicians instead.

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Graham November 19, 2016 at 11:07 am
Given that the UK just passes an Orwellian law to legally hack everyone’s electronic devices, it won’t be long before this gets traction. We are so doomed if we don’t get rid of all of the self-righteous bigots trying to tell us how to think and act.

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Tom November 19, 2016 at 11:07 am
So, pricing the poor out of protein. Nothing racist about that. Brilliant. Always suspected evil existed in this world, but this proves it.

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Ken Bingham November 19, 2016 at 11:08 am
This is Eugenics masquerading as clumate change policy.

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Richard Niles November 19, 2016 at 11:08 am
In my country food is already taxed at the cashier. We call it sales tax.

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Rhoda R November 19, 2016 at 12:35 pm
True, but not at 20% or more.

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cjones1 November 19, 2016 at 11:10 am
It would not surprise me if the Oxford-Martin group also supports eugenics on a massive scale.
It has been pointed out that any higher CO2 levels would be proportionally associated with higher plant growth rates which should result in more food crops. I just read Part 1 of an interesting Judith Curry paper on historical sea level fluctuations. I suggest that people also examine the Panama Hypothesis.

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Freeland_Dave November 19, 2016 at 11:10 am
Why is it that the enlightened progressive socialist wanting liberal thinks that everything can be fixed if you tax it. What about those people living on the margin of their society that can barely afford to buy food, much less pay a tax on it? The one world globalists want socialism around the world where everyone is equal. The problem is that socialism doesn’t work because everyone isn’t equal. Their still has to be some sort of leadership and those people become the elites who are more equal than everyone else and everyone surrenders all of their personal freedoms in order to achieve that equality. It didn’t work for pre-WWII Germany who did exactly that and it won’t work for the world. Now you may think that Adolph was a dictator when you were in school. He wasn’t. He was a Fascist who used socialism to create an Oligopoly where he and a few elites with him made all the decisions for everyone else and enjoyed the perks they fashioned for themselves whole those who went without just did as they were told. That’s not freedom, it’s slavery Socialism does not and never has worked to get the most freedom for the people living under it. And a straight Democracy by those wishing to eliminate our Democratic Republic form of of government decays into Mob Rule and Anarchy where you only have what freedoms you can get at the expense of everyone around you..Sort of George Soros style in the country of his birth when the NAZIs controlled it. Nope, if you don’t mind I’ll stick with the Constitutional backed Democratic Republic we have as flawed as it might be. Why? Because of all forms of government and economics it still offers the most freedoms for its citizens than any other form.

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Matt November 19, 2016 at 11:10 am
This is why academics are academics and not policy-makers. How many pols won election with a platform that included “Raise taxes on food.” as a plank? Never. Food taxes are so unpopular here in the US that on most food products, there are none. Certain foods (processed) are taxed but it varies from state to state. Any party that seems a tax for any reason on food is doomed to lose. Just sayin’.

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HankB November 19, 2016 at 11:12 am
Notice that every “solution” to the global warming “problem” involves transferring wealth from the general public to a select few, be it government bureaucrats or those peddling imaginary products like carbon credits? Now a tax on food? FOOD? This is such a huge scam that it makes Bernie Madoff’s crooked antics look like a penny ante game of three card monty in some back alley.

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Nunya bidness November 19, 2016 at 11:13 am
What a GREAT idea! We’ll grow less food, because people will be eating less, and then less CO2 will be absorbed by plants and remain in the atmosphere! What idiot thought of this idea?

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Mookie November 19, 2016 at 11:13 am
Let them eat cake

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Hyon Kim November 19, 2016 at 11:15 am
For the good of the colletive, all progressive liberals should commit suicide on their 21st birthday.

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Htos1 November 19, 2016 at 11:15 am
“I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit, only way to be sure”

/sarc=”off”

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Robert of Ottawa November 19, 2016 at 11:17 am
A food tax! Next a breathing tax! This really is descending into servitude … for the little people.

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Buckeyebubba November 19, 2016 at 11:20 am
Who’s SUVs and BBQ grills melted the massive ice caps thousands of years ago? Just wondering????

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Peter Morris November 19, 2016 at 11:21 am
It’s like Charles Dickens never even existed.

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MidWestMike November 19, 2016 at 11:21 am
What a complete load of pure bullshit

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juliebork November 19, 2016 at 11:22 am
The report states that taxing the beef will create revenue to pay for the damage caused by the climate change. But the report also states that taxing the beef will result in eating less beef. Where is the logic in that. If you are eating less beef, you are generating less revenue for climate change. But you are also taking jobs away from farmers and ranchers that will go out of business. Creating more poverty, and even less people can afford to eat high priced beef. How does that help the environment? I think we should promote eating as much meat as possible. Letting them live is creating more greenhouse gas. India needs to be taxed higher for all the emissions their beef is creating.

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Tom Matiska November 19, 2016 at 11:24 am
Every hydrocarbon molecule in the food chain comes from plants converting carbon dioxide+ water + sunshine into delicious hydrocarbons + breathable Oxygen.(CO2 + 12 H2O → C6H12O6 + 6 O2 + 6 H2O) …. we should be subsidizing carbon intense foods…. they require the most carbon to be removed from the atmosphere…

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Zero growth November 19, 2016 at 11:24 am
As mankind is the cause of climate change, then the cure is simple: mandatory birth control and eugenics. Reduce the population level and carbon loading decreases.

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De Leweye November 19, 2016 at 11:25 am
How much of our lives are we to sacrifice so that the human race can continue to breed itself into oblivion? How much time will it buy if we force everyone to subsist on sprouts and field grasses? Enough to add another couple billion to Earth’s population? Another generation of uncontrolled population increases?

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SMH November 19, 2016 at 11:28 am
I say we tax these wine bags every time they open their mouths to express their over inflated ego opinions

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fallonstarr November 19, 2016 at 11:28 am
Dear UK Researchers,

Please explain the Grand Canyon.

Thanks.

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Dale November 19, 2016 at 11:29 am
First they want to increase our electric bill so much we cant afford it, now they want to increase food costs so we can’t afford to eat. Next they will just come up with a way to exterminate us without increasing the carbon footprint! Geez how far do these quacks need to go before people stand up against this? Maybe it is beginning with the election of Trump!

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darin November 19, 2016 at 11:30 am
Gd rediculous…a group of mad-scientists who think they’re brilliant

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Mike the Morlock November 19, 2016 at 11:32 am
I tried to find out a little on the authors other then being at Oxford not much. Some have the title of Doctor but I have not found of what. Other than Marco Springmann is a Vegan

I am at a loss for words. Here we have Pediatricians trying to make sure children get milk, And doctors (Real doctors) warning the ageing population of the need of calcium and that milk is a excellent source.

I have a feeling that there is no way to reach these people to try and explain not just the absurdity of what they a advocating but the danger.

What might be the best approach would be to ask any of our U.K. friends to contact the Dairy Associations and foreword this foolishness to them. Add in a slight nudge that they may want to contact their local P.M. to inquire if any tax monies were squandered on the insanity. I think everyone can guess the rest.

And just as Willis Eschenbach put up a link for the lead author a link for any P.M.s might be helpful on this side of the pond. Politely inquiring what sort of nonsense is now passing as dietary scientific research may help to get their (P.M.) attention.

michael

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Husker in DC November 19, 2016 at 11:33 am
Over my dead prime rib! Speaking of which–I’ll be preparing a beautiful, perfectly seasoned prime rib for Christmas day dinner, served with all the fixings. Doesn’t that sound delicious? There may be a few cattle ranchers on the American plains that will tell you what you can do with your knuckleheaded idea. Beef–it’s what’s for dinner.

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JEFFCOMO November 19, 2016 at 11:35 am
I know how to save at least 25% of the green house gas emissions emitted here in the U.S. Quit exporting all agricultural products to the rest of the world. See what that does.

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kennywest11 November 19, 2016 at 11:36 am
In other words, starve poor people to death. Wow, what kind and loving little libs.

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James W. Smith November 19, 2016 at 11:37 am
a hungry population becomes a revolutionary one. feed the people keep the peace.

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Jack Georatis November 19, 2016 at 11:38 am
Anthropogenic global warming is fake. It’s all about politics and money. The temperature has always changed and always will. Nobody believes this fraud global warming stuff any more.

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Eyeball November 19, 2016 at 11:40 am
It is time to put this global weather fraud to rest. It is all a scam/scheme to remove money from the tax payers coffers.

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luke November 19, 2016 at 11:40 am
The whole global warming/climate change cabal is like a Giant Clinton Foundation. Pay for Play…it’s really what it comes down to.

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Shaman November 19, 2016 at 11:40 am
Didn’t anyone tell these mawrons the news? Climate change/global warming is fake. It was outed as a left wing plot to usher in socialism. Geez, get with the program dudes!!!

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John moyer November 19, 2016 at 11:41 am
[grow up and use English . . . mod]

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Jim Johnston November 19, 2016 at 11:43 am
Extracting money from people and handing mountains of cash to incompetent boobs does not cause greenhouse gasses to go away.

Convince us using real science, and then show us a plan for how you would use this money to correct the problem and we can talk. Right now its just handing hardworking peoples money over to corrupt, ignorant greedy twits. That solves NOTHING.

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mwhite November 19, 2016 at 11:45 am
Electoral suicide!!!

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Bob November 19, 2016 at 11:46 am
Climate hoaxers, drop dead.

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3×2 November 19, 2016 at 11:46 am
Tax food and fuel in order to reduce the population.

Wonder why DT is your next US President
?

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Dan Pangburn November 19, 2016 at 11:48 am
I wonder what will transpire when it becomes more widely realized that CO2 has no significant effect on climate. Thermalization and the complete dominance of water vapor in reverse-thermalization explain why. CO2 is not merely harmless, it is profoundly helpful. It is helpful in that it is plant food and, perhaps more importantly, it reduces plant’s need for water as evidenced by the greening planet.

Much of the warming, now countering global cooling, is from rising water vapor (click my name for graphs and links). The rising water vapor is nearly all from irrigation. Pumped irrigation is causing the water table to decline rapidly world wide. What happens when fresh water becomes scarce?

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DJG November 19, 2016 at 11:48 am
Climate is always in a state of change simply from nature. Climate will change regardless of what the human race may do. Making it harder for people to support their families is simply oppressing the poor.

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Jay November 19, 2016 at 11:48 am
Ridiculous. This is nothing but a huge money grab that will have zero affect on climate but a huge affect on standard of living for the average citizen. Those people should be ashamed of themselves.

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PM McDevitt November 19, 2016 at 11:49 am
If left to the Socialist/Environmentalists they would ban the wheel. In their mind, “too much is not enough” Now, we’re beyond silly

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Dan Pangburn November 19, 2016 at 11:49 am
America dodged a bullet on Nov. 8

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Rhoda R November 19, 2016 at 12:43 pm
+1000

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Ranger Rick November 19, 2016 at 11:50 am
From the same *ss clowns that came up with the “Climate Change/Global Warming” hoax.

Folks this is what’s wrong with the world.

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Freejen November 19, 2016 at 11:50 am
How does taxing anything reduce Carbon emissions? And, don’t they know that when governments tax food, they sign their death warrant? Man, these people are nuts!

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Pete Dosado November 19, 2016 at 11:53 am
So this is the type of “research” going on in the UK! News flash: food has been taxed since forever! On the other hand, there was a more interesting story with the headline: “Feces covered animals found in home…!

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TA November 19, 2016 at 11:53 am
It’s easy doing Leftwing science. No evidence required. No common sense required. All you have to do is make sure you mention “climate change” in your musings and then you’ll get paid, whether your proposal makes any sense or not.

Yeah, if I was just starting out, I would go into the climate change business. There are all sorts of ways to get paid doing that, judging by what is going on today. Any harebrained scheme will get you paid if you can link it to climate change somehow.

Then along comes Trump. No soup for you! The Climate Change Gravy Train is making its last run.

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Gino Petraglia November 19, 2016 at 11:53 am
So they predicted how many lives could be saved by levying taxes on food. Did I miss the estimate about how many would starve to death? Was that in their estimate?

When the fraud of ethanol was implemented as a gasoline additive, there were food riots in Haiti and deaths over the increase in corn prices, but what’s a few hundred deaths due to starvation when you’re saving the planet?

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Arlen November 19, 2016 at 11:53 am
As usual, the Satanic globalist cabal cloaks their plans for mass genocide and world population reduction within the guise of *saving the planet.* Today, they want you to give up your money to the cause, but if they get their way, tomorrow you will be giving up your life to satisfy the requirements of their psychopathic fantasies.

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Mike G. (@MikeG60) November 19, 2016 at 11:53 am
These *UN Experts* need to be hunted down and killed on sight. Every single one of them is 10x more dangerous than a Terrorist Suicide Bomber with a First Class Ticket in his pocket to ‘paradise’. Then after these maniacs are *Neutralized* the entire U.N. System, no matter the country, needs to be dealt with like the Terrorists they are and ‘expeditiously terminated, and every U.N. Building turned into rubble like it never existed.
A little harsh you might say?…uh, no it’s not. The U.N. was formed with one goal; To Prevent War. But it has somehow morphed into an organization that believes that it alone knows what’s best for every person on the planet. Fourth rate bureaucrats are sitting around like a Gods on Mt Olympus deciding who will live and who will die.
Sorry but THAT will never happen. Not as long as there is a United States of America.
(now you know why we have a Second Amendment and we buy more guns than candy!)

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Alice Ramirez November 19, 2016 at 11:58 am
Yet another war on common people and the poor by Elites. Better we should kill and eat environmentalists than tax food!

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Mensa Graham November 19, 2016 at 11:59 am
These political thieves have managed to turn over another stone of taxation in an attempt to deceive us into thinking they are doing good for us.

All they are doing is duping those who cannot follow some logic. Let us tax high carbon producing foods such as cattle into oblivion while making humans consume more vegetable matter. They don’t tell you that then YOU will be the carbon producing source with your increased methane production.

Hypocritical political thieves.

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Richmond November 19, 2016 at 12:03 pm
It appears that the green misanthropists first solution is to tax something. Of course, this is done for our own good. These are the moral busy bodies that C.S. Lewis warned about:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

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Wearycoder November 19, 2016 at 12:12 pm
An particularly apropos quote for this topic, though I think many of the apocalyptic climate change crowd are doing it not for our own good, but for the supposed good of “nature” which, in their minds, is more important than mere humans.

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Amos The Prophet November 19, 2016 at 12:04 pm
The insanity of George III has been inherited by this menagerie of nincompoops.

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private November 19, 2016 at 12:04 pm
Tyranny at its best

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Fred762 November 19, 2016 at 12:05 pm
Buncha rich hoi polis and politicians wasting fuel and money telling us serfs what to flippin do. There is no manmade climate chg

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Wearycoder November 19, 2016 at 12:05 pm
I have a plan that will massively reduce the carbon footprint of mankind. Those with the knowledge of the dangers of anthropogenic climate change and who have such love for the earth that others lack can greatly reduce not only CO2 production, but also far more problematic methane production by sequestering their carbon at a depth of approximately six feet below ground. Come on guys, take one for the earth!

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alcheson November 19, 2016 at 12:07 pm
It all makes sense if you look at it from the Progressive goal to reduce population to 1 billion people or less. The leading Progressive really do believe that the common person is leading way to much of an extravagant lifestyle.

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Reality check November 19, 2016 at 12:08 pm
There goes McDonalds, Burger King, Hardees…….

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RBom November 19, 2016 at 12:10 pm
The AWG sales and marketing middle level managers should go for mandatory elimination of all income tax credits for married couples and families filing jointly or singly per country.

Then add a mandatory new tax on human birth, say about 1 million monetary units per country per birth.

Bet Paul Ehrlich would wet his shorts over this. ha ha

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Soqueesh_Mulhatra November 19, 2016 at 12:10 pm
All of these reasonable arguments are wasted effort. These “Oxford” folks are the height of evil. That’s it. They are dangerous to mankind and must be eliminated. It is a matter of liberty and survival.

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trummpin November 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm
Tax em to save lives…… that only works until you tax em so much they can’t afford to eat and die from starvation. but hey the fat cats will get fatter right….. #ClimateChange is a shamwow to swindle the slaves.

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JW November 19, 2016 at 12:13 pm
The Green movement is about genocide and nothing else. These people’s names should be remembered and when possible they should be executed for this when public sentiment permits along with all their ilk who can be reached. They have written something unforgivable. They stand for something unforgivable. They are something unforgivable.

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dlethe November 19, 2016 at 12:13 pm
When will you people in the UK catch on that this climate change nonsense is being propagated for the purpose of redistribution of wealth by climate change proponents.

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Adam Gallon November 19, 2016 at 12:14 pm
Just look at this cretin’s cv.
Dr Marco Springmann
http://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/people/611
Never had a real job.
Oh, look who’s a Co-director, Dr Myles Allen.

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Mike the Morlock November 19, 2016 at 12:59 pm
Adam Gallon November 19, 2016 at 12:14 pm
Yeah Adam, kind of what I found. For example he has a masters in Physics but no relating work.
Over the last year all of his work is a “pitch” to push a Vegan lifestyle. It seems almost a obsession with him.
I’m not even sure CAGW is really a issue to him other than a means to a end. All the liberal/lefty politic that are being attribute to him may only be nothing more the clothes for him. If the right wing groups were more sympathetic to his Vegan stance he might embrace that. As the saying goes “Strange bed fellows”
I don’t think you can reach this man his position on being a Vegan and imposeing it on everyone else is ,,,all consuming.

now I’m starting to sound like “Lew & Cooky”
michael

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Kip November 19, 2016 at 12:15 pm
This would cut 1 million jobs in the dairy industry in the US

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Frank November 19, 2016 at 12:16 pm
Commies like Stalin, Polpot and Mao did this kind of stuff to starve millions to death.

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CapeBuffalo November 19, 2016 at 12:17 pm
It just keeps coming! New ideas to redistribute money, health, populations, you name it!
These meddlesome do-nothing’s will prattle on about controlling how people live until someone finally tells them to shut up and has the will
And power to enforce that will. Perhaps the budding wave of what is being called “Nationalism” will finally stifle the Warming warblers. This wave seems to be more a wave of rational, logical, common sense leaders who are not cowed by the elitest’s use of flawed science and the bleating of consensus .
A good kick in the rear is needed to bring the world back to its senses

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W. Smith November 19, 2016 at 12:17 pm
Why not just eliminate all people! Planet saved!!

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Dean Chamblin November 19, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Yea, let us lower the global temperature by cutting back meat and dairy consumption at the same time we make it harder to grow plants and vegetables in the cooler climate. This level of education is called Kindergarten!

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Lowell November 19, 2016 at 12:23 pm
WHY IS CHINA EXEMPT from carbon emissions cuts, you Communists?

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Louis November 19, 2016 at 1:47 pm
China is exempt because communists are the elites of society, like Al Gore and DiCaprio, so they get a pass. /sarc

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busseja November 19, 2016 at 12:33 pm
Trump says no. And so it will go.

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Vincent Ardizzone November 19, 2016 at 12:48 pm
The Global Warming Cult will never quit, will they?

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Arno Arrak (@ArnoArrak) November 19, 2016 at 12:52 pm
Asininity like taxing food should never have seen a printed page. But the authors needed funding and they hit upon a good source here. Anything that reduces production of GHGs, no matter how stupid, gets funded and printed. And Nature Climate Change journal is just the vehicle for this stupidity as we can’t help noticing. Behind it is a superstitious belief that greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide can warm the atmosphere when illuminated by infrared radiation. Carbon dioxide does get warm in a laboratory bottle that is irradiated with infrared rays but this does not happen in the atmosphere where a mix of gases is present. First, take a note that carbon dioxide is only a minuscule part of total atmospheric gases – 0.04 percent – and don’t put your trust in it. It is not the most abundant greenhouse gas either – water vapor is, making up 95 percent of all greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. In comparison, \carbon dioxide share of these GH gases is only 3.6 percent. But this is not the full story yet. Per MGT, the Miskolczi greenhouse theory, carbon dioxide and water vapor, both greenhouse gases, form a joint absorption window for infrared gases whose optical thickness in the IR is 1.87. If you now add more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, it will start to absorb in the IR as expected. But as soon as this happens, water vapor present will start to diminish, rain out, and the original optical thickness is restored. Loss of water vapor also means loss of IR absorptivity that belongs to it. Thus, the greenhouse warming expected from addition of carbon dioxide does not materialize and the atmospheric temperature does not rise. Miskolczi demonstrated the constancy of the optical thickness in time by using a 61 year stretch of radiosonde temperature measurements. During this 61year observation period the atmospheric carbon dioxide increased by 20 percent but the optical thickness did not change. The original work appeared in E&E volume 21, issue 4 in 2010. It was also described at the EGU meeting in 2011 in Vienna. Forsake that superstitious fear of carbon dioxide and enjoy your meal.

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Louis November 19, 2016 at 12:53 pm
“The researchers found that beef would have to be 40% more expensive globally to pay for the climate damage caused by its production.”

How did they come up with this nice round figure of 40%? Are they taking everything into consideration when they make their calculations? Any emissions cows produce, come from their feed. Do grasslands stop growing grass when there are no cows to eat it? Did they consider what happens to uneaten vegetation? Isn’t it true that when uneaten vegetation decays or burns it still produces emissions? Cows simply speed up the process. So how do cows make it worse in the long run?

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mountainape5 November 19, 2016 at 12:54 pm
Is there anything left anymore that needs taxing? It’s our fault that we let them do it.

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fthoma November 19, 2016 at 12:59 pm
Remember, when Naftali invented concentration camps the idea was to feed those who worked harder more, letting the weaker fade away. I guess socialists or communists will never get the word.

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Sam Wasserman November 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm
the only thoughts these mental midgets can come up with are hoaxes like climate change in order to take more of the hard working citizens money. if they were at all capable of coherent thought, they would not have to dupe the less fortunate into voting them into a job, they might actually be able to hold a real paying job. No, on second thought, those that can’t teach and those that really can’t go into politics…

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jorgekafkazar November 19, 2016 at 1:07 pm
A threat to tax food is a death threat. Go out and buy a firearm today.

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TroyGale November 19, 2016 at 1:09 pm
I don’t know why these reprehensible liars and fools don’t stand on the street corners and panhandle for this money. Levying a tax on people is the same thing as robbing them at gunpoint.

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David Johnson November 19, 2016 at 1:10 pm
These people really are sick in the head. So they’d deprive the poor of these foods but the well off can still have them.

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Green Sand November 19, 2016 at 1:16 pm
Dear, Marco Springmann, Daniel Mason-D’Croz, Sherman Robinson, Keith Wiebe, H. Charles J. Godfray, Mike Rayner and Peter Scarborough.

Please rearrange the following into a well known phrase or saying:-

Off F**K!

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Christopher Hanley November 19, 2016 at 1:22 pm
“Taxing greenhouse gas emissions from food production could save more emissions than are currently generated by global aviation …”.
In other words take nourishing food from the mouths of the poor so we can fly business class with a clear conscience.
Bastards.

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winchester1300 November 19, 2016 at 1:26 pm
Why does “Climate Change” ALWAYS seem to have something to do with my wallet?

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winchester1300 November 19, 2016 at 1:27 pm
“Climate Change” is the term Obama and fake scientists use when they are caught lying about “Global Warming!” I remember when it was called “Weather.”

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Teddy Novak November 19, 2016 at 1:31 pm
Global warming (aka climate change) is the religion of the stupid.
Sheep, lemmings, and Leftists are easily manipulated.
http://www.zazzle.com/firstprinciples/products?rf=238518351914519699

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Leo Smith November 19, 2016 at 1:33 pm
All Leftism/Greenism is a crime against humanity

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Louis November 19, 2016 at 1:42 pm
Isn’t food a renewable resource? Plants absorb CO2 while growing. Eventially the plants die and decay, or are eaten by animals, and the CO2 gets released back into the atmosphere. Then the cycle repeats. We are not eating coal or other sequestered carbon, so why should a renewable resource be taxed? It doesn’t add to total CO2. Even methane gas from cow farts recycles into CO2 and H2O.

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jasonn13 November 19, 2016 at 1:42 pm
That’s just nuts.

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jvjj November 19, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Another winning idea! Thank you, Al-Buffoon!!

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kimdi01 November 19, 2016 at 2:00 pm
“Climate change” is not a science based on fact. Were it so then explain why so many organizations, governments and investigators have to rely of manufactured data. Climate change is a means, by governments and politicians to promote the phony data and then tack on more and more taxes upon the working class.
Green leaf plants ingest carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere to live. In doing this they then release
oxygen (O) back into the atmosphere as waste. If you weren’t like me day dreaming or sleeping through grade school science classes you would know this is called photosynthesis. This is factual, not manufactured data (LIES to us normal folks) from those so call scientists that measure temperatures across the globe, even in places where there is no thermometers so they have a basis for their global warming charges. With this fact, why do governments allow all the trees to be cut down in the name of progress?
Climate change is just a phony excuse to rise taxes and those taxes do no go towards fixing the problem seeing as how there is no problem. The taxes are used for wealth re-distribution to buy votes so the politicians can continue to sit on their fat posteriors, living off the tax payers while accomplishing NOTHING. They run for office on lies, raise you taxes so they can run again and make more money, then when the voters begin to catch on they bring in more and more immigrants that require more taxes to be given away to the unwashed and unworked.

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Logoswrench November 19, 2016 at 2:03 pm
Is this insanity really surprising?

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